Conqueror's Haki Rework

Drqonic

Also worth noting for any future posts about me "ruining" the mod. All my changes don't get added to the mod until Wynd first approves them, like I'm physically incapable of adding my changes to the mod without his approval. So anything I've added that "ruins" things, was accepted by Wynd himself.

DrqPvpKilledTheMod

Drqonic Thats barely an excuse ? Wynd doesnt care about PVP

yagus_boone

Drqonic
That sounds amazing! The fighting styles themselves currently dont feel very diverse, so something like that would work out great! King punch makes me sad🥲

Drqonic

yagus_boone xD that's so fair, but dw. I've already completed Galaxy Impact 😉 it looks so sick man

dabmasterb3

Dope idea man, I’m all for it! Having this system could also give us an official hakibar lol.

Drqonic

dabmasterb3 Actually, Wynd asked if I wanted to add the hakibar to the base mod and I said "I'm not sure if everyone would really want that as I know some people don't like it". But I do suppose this would be a good time to add it if there was one xD

mail2003

Drqonic i mean if we are worried about people not wanting the haki bar you could make it a switch in the config, flip it on and off

Drqonic

DrqPvpKilledTheMod It's not an excuse. You're ignoring the fact that Wynd designed swordsman and all of its moves. My only changes to swordsman was air shishi and me fixing projectiles not colliding correctly (which affected 99% of projectiles in the mod, not just swordsman).

osborn_hall

After long consideration, I'll vote against it. I do love the direction of the changes (additions to conqueror's haki in the direction of the debuff aspect, new interactions with transformations, etc.). But I don't agree with the idea of the "will" being a somewhat independent variable. It just doesn't feel like an optimized concept.

I would, however, disregard those complaints if it were with 100% certainty decided as an addon, especially regarding that Drqonic did consider an option of conquerors affecting both "will" and "overuse," giving it more of the addon potential, rather than "official" rework.

But since the argument stands for implementation in the mod directly, I will stand by the side of not committing to such a rework.

P.S. Also, a final note (since I'm tired of re-reading my fucking essay and thinking about where to put this idea or trying to remember if I even put it out here), I'm still all for the Wi-Fi, Conq Debuffs, etc., I'm just against this way of it going.

DrqPvpKilledTheMod

osborn_hall Goat

mail2003

osborn_hall thanks for being a reasonable person XD

Drqonic

osborn_hall Sounds good. If by the end Wynd decides against this next week, I'll make an addon that implements it. I'd love some feedback on it when its made, improvements and other things that can be done to improve it. If it reaches a stage where the majority of the community likes it and thinks it's balanced, it may be worth revisiting official implementation, what do you think?

osborn_hall

Drqonic conceptualy it is a good way to go. But again, since the core of the concern is quite a large detail of the rework (that being "will" aka "will levels"), it will be a long way.

yagus_boone

Drqonic I like the idea of making it an addon! Let everyone playtest it, then try it and see how they actually like it versus it being described to them and ppl just hating change because it might screw them over

OneHero

Drqonic This sounds horrible Zoan nerf why? Plus the Haoshoku change in 0.10 was bad, this is even worst sounds like straight nerfs disguised has changes what's the point in doing this I don't get it

Drqonic

OneHero It's not a zoan nerf really. Like I said, Zoans also have a bonus will defence which makes it harder to knock em out anyway

wompert

I assume people without conq would get a natural will Stat, maybe it could have a slightly higher resistance so generally people without could keep up. I feel like haki in general kinda needs some touch ups but these are great changes. Also, for logias you could have it that at low logia their logia bar doesn't work/regen. My main issue/idea for haki is I wish there was more specialization, imagine being super fine tuned into kenshoku like katakuri and having decent tiers of other haki types. Generally there's so much to work on in those regards and this isn't the place to discuss, anyway these are very nice!

kirboexe

after reading the changes, I really find them interesting, and these changes are from what i can tell are changes that can make fights a bit more dynamic, but I can see where some people are coming from, but ill vote, and after reading the first few comments all I have to say is saying that someone drove half the player base away is reductive to the conversation. With stuff like this creative criticism is needed or else nothing good will come of it. So here is my proposal, make it so that this system can be toggled in the configs, that way if people dont like it they can just turn it off, either way I like it and have made my vote

bouchiii

i think this should be tested as an addon first then added if it has positive feedback but i think if balanced this sounds cool

Kaiyo

If anything MAYBE make a PVP based add-on for MMNM and test things on that as a type of ‘Tester Add-on’ and once things are altered have the public do a poll on what features FROM the add-on should be added to the base mod.

This stops people from hating a whole update but still lets you test things freely and slowly add features that are SUPER loved into the mod!

Otherwise, sorry for not being on lately with all the house building I’m doing but I wanted to at least help you with stuff like this!

Drqonic

Kaiyo Yeah an addon may be best for now.

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